am i correct to presume that kamao-o is a civil engineer and waray2 is obviously an architect. only in the philippines that laws are always "too good to be true".

our lawmakers enact laws that will merit and be beneficial to all pinoys, but these ignoramuses staying in "way batasan building" didn't realize if it can be implemented. those who then make the IRR, of said enacted laws are likewise nincoompoops to think that the government agencies and LGU's who execute these laws can perform and even qualify to do so, at least to follow the law.

presented here are views of 2 professionals, concerned about the their respective professions, even to the point kung hino it makarit nga duha ngan hino it dako it palhak in exercising their 5 years of hard earned copying in school.

going back to the documents for the issuance of construction permits, am i correct to say that these plans signed and sealed by concerned professionals are to be studied, examined minutely as to the soundness (ano pa it angay na termino para ha iyo) of the architectural, structural,electrical, sanitary, mechanical etc. by the government agencies who issues the permit.

if this is so, then i don't believe these laws can really be followed. i live in a 6th class municipality and our engineering division has a civil engineer (only) who examines the documents (building plans) and is the recommending officer for the approval of permits. am i correct to say by qualifications that the engineer is not in a position to approve all facit of technical documents submitted? that's why these laws are beautiful to cetain people but not to all pinoys.

the bottomline is sue somebody in the government and let the court decides and if these damned laws be repealed, amended or thrown back to the a$$es of lawmakers, so be it...


nice building for the center in tacloban, inop la ak na deri magmahal it sukot pagpatambal para mabawi it ginastos paghimo hini.

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going back to the documents for the issuance of construction permits, am i correct to say that these plans

the enactment and implementation of any law is a constantly evolving process. the national building code has recently been overhauled. every city and municipality should, thru the DPWH appointment of the office of building official, have their own building official separate and distinct from the offic eof the municipal engr.

the office of the building official also should have its own staff tasked to review building permit documents and implementation in the field, raning from architectural, structural, and so forth. this is clearly stated in the national building code, and the mandate comes from the DPWH, not LGU.

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Tacloban City, through Honorable Mayor Alfred Romualdez, issued Administrative Order 01 directing all offices to fully IMPLEMENT AND ENFORCE the provisions of RA 9266 and its IRR!

This is great news for architects!

i don't think it's just a good news for the architects but for the whole technical professionals. buildings plans can't just be approved without the corresponding professionals (arch., c.e., p.e.e, m.e., s.e. etc.) signatures. not the usual practice that architects and/or civil engineers signatures and seals where accepted by the approving agencies.

just hope that the approving office have qualified and competent professionals (field of expertise) who then will examine minutely the plans as a whole.

look what happened to the city stage at balyuhan plaza planned and supervised by the an architect. pag bagyoha ugsa magpatron ha tacloban, ay, nabirikis an steel structures, kay waray siguro himua hin structural engineer. pinasipad-an la pagbana-bana an mga sections han steel sections han naghimo hit na plano.

good luck to these professsionals, pero ayaw la niyo pagsukti hi dako it mapahimo ha iyo hin balay/building.

It happens when an architect tries to become an engineer.... they seem to act like they can do it all.
Without the engineers, architects will be useless (no offense to our architects).

look what happened to the city stage at balyuhan plaza planned and supervised by the an architect. pag bagyoha ugsa magpatron ha tacloban, ay, nabirikis an steel structures, kay waray siguro himua hin structural engineer. pinasipad-an la pagbana-bana an mga sections han steel sections han naghimo hit na plano.

Ha imo emeroy: thanks for your comments. This shows how ignorant you are when it comes to building design and permit issues.

And to you 2xdx: I believe you did not intend to offend us architects, but you already did it in your comments anyways.

Two things that I am aware about why the building was destroyed during the typhoon based on what I've heard:
1. the structure was not finished when the storm hit Tacloban
2. the tensile fabric wasn't fully stretched and water accumulated on top because of heavy rains coupled with high winds that contributed to its structural failure.

Regarding the design of that particular structure - your comments like "pinasipad-an la pagbana-bana an mga sections han steel sections han naghimo hit na plano..." is misleading and insulting to the person who prepared the plans - and you probably insult the civil engineer involved. This structure will not be approved for construction without a structural engineer who will do the structural design calculations based on the given architectural design coming from the architect. In other words - diri iton architect it responsible hit structural design failure because he is not allowed to do structural designing in the first place.

Also, the comment like; "ayaw la niyo pagsukti hi dako it mapahimo ha iyo hin balay/building." First of all, diri kami naghihimo-imo hin kon pira it amon professional fee nga susukton. The fees we charged are regulated by our profession, and it also includes the other professional fees involved in a particular project. Also, these fees are taxed by the government. The biggest issue involved is our LIABILITY under the Civil Code of the Philippines if something unfortunate happens to the structure within a period of 15 years. Diri ini harumamay nga pag-serbisyo hit publiko. Also, why do you want to single out only us architects? Tawari gad ada guihap niyo it mga lawyers ngan doctors who also charge high fees para fair hit ngatanan?

It happens when an architect tries to become an engineer.... they seem to act like they can do it all.
Without the engineers, architects will be useless (no offense to our architects).

building designs are conceived by architects, not engineers. each of us, whether architect or engineers, has its own field of expertise. so please stop dividing the us.

oops, i mean "us" not "the us"...

and that's exactly what I mean.... architects conceive building designs but without engineers, whatever you conceive will remain exactly that.... just a concept. Any engineer.... or anybody for that matter who can use their creative and artistic imagination can also conceive a building design. Michelangelo didn't have training as an architect but he designed the famous dome of St. Peter's Basilica, just one among the many of his lifetime achievements. The skyscrapers and landmark buildings we see around will not stand without the structural/civil engineers.... the toilets will be useless without the plumbing engineers.... the fire sprinklers can't protect the building without the fire protection engineers.... the rooms will be too hot during summer and too cold during winter without the mechanical engineers.... dark without the electrical engineers.... etc. But, more often than not, who always takes credit when a building is done? The architect! Why? Because the engineers are just a supporting cast.... but are the ones who make it happen.

Those impressive buildings that we see around, in pictures, movies, etc.... they all started from imagination. Anybody who can harness his creative thinking, artistic imagination, and analytical mind.... even without an architectural degree.... can conceive a good building design.

2xdx:
and that's exactly what I mean.... architects conceive building designs but without engineers, whatever you conceive will remain exactly that.... just a concept. Any engineer.... or anybody for that matter.... who can use their imagination to the fullest can conceive a building design… And anybody with artistic imagination could have conceived these buildings without any architectural training.

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Your conclusion that anybody “with artistic imagination” can design or conceive a building plan sounds easy - and laughable. It is quite different in real practice. I can tell you from my actual experience. I’ve been involved in many different project types (houses, highrise condominiums, restaurants, sports complex, etc.), from conceptualization to actual construction, and I can tell you, it’s quite a complicated task as an architect. Yes architecture is an art, but it is more than just that. It is not just putting different pieces together as in a puzzle as you may think it is if you have an “artistic mind”. When you design a building you need to have thorough knowledge of building construction, building materials and their behavior, structural, plumbing, mechanical, electrical, acoustics, human anthropometrics, building functions, environment, etc. In addition to that, you need to have knowledge of building codes and laws. All these different aspects you need to simultaneously incorporate into the planning stage - and into your brain - and you think that anybody with “artistic imagination” can create a building plan??? Without sufficient knowledge of the different science involved you cannot create something that can be constructed. Probably you can try it if you are an artist, but be more realistic.

2xdx:
The skyscrapers we see will not stand without the structural/civil engineers.... their toilets will be useless without the plumbing engineers.... the fire sprinklers can't protect the building without the fire protection engineers.... their rooms will be too hot during summer and too cold during winter without the mechanical engineers.... etc.

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I understand your “point of view” and respect that. But don’t underestimate the role of the architect. You cannot just provide a concept if all of the different aspects of engineering cannot be incorporated into the design. The architect, while doing the concept, keeps all these things in mind, such that the overall design concept will be realized. On the other hand, just to give you an example, have you not seen those buildings designed by civil engineers that are mostly fire traps? What about those buildings that can’t even be accessed by people with disability? Or stairs that have high risers that people have difficulty climbing up the stairs? Or buildings encroaching into the street right-of-ways? Or firewalls with openings on it? These are few examples of people who pretend they can do building plans that easy but in reality their designs doesn’t serve its very purpose.

2xdx
Painters do. Michelangelo didn't have a formal training as an architect but he designed the famous dome of St. Peter's Basilica, just one among the many of his lifetime achievements.

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This one is the kicker… Don’t you know that Michelangelo didn’t just had the gift of painting? He was also an architect. So do your homework properly before you make some ignorant claims.

And LASTLY, if you think it is easy to become an architect, or you can do the work of an architect for that matter, why not finish the degree and pass the board exam and see for yourself or anybody “with artistic imagination” if they are worth earning the privilege title of “architect”? You probably may be better off than those architecture graduates who hurdled the 5-year academic training plus the 2 years of diversified training and pass the board examination just to earn that title. Don’t just keep on talking but walk your talk.